Subject	AFC tuning is at best a hack job of tuning
Posted by	Joe(NoVA) on November 02, 2005 at 9:16 AM
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In Reply To	you just lost your right to call anyone an idiot posted by genic on November 02, 2005 at 09:03 AM
Message	With all the hubbub down below about how a/f curves are not the only parameter of tuning a car, you can't seriously think that AFC tuning is a full tune of the car, can you? What about the other huuuuge factor - timing? What does the AFC do for that? In a word - nothing. Additionally, how does AFC tuning account for variable engine load/boost pressure? It doesn't. Your AFC settings and corresponding A/F curve are good for a single set of conditions, and are not correct for the rest of the engine's range of operating conditions. Tuning controls the fuel maps for the entire range of engine operating conditions, as well as adjusting timing to increase power and prevent detonation. AFC tuning can't do all of that. ********************************************************* Joe Sport 530bb/Inconel AIM: hoyatiger81 "You probably never even got you hands dirty working on a car. Take care toolbox!" --djtz1
Follow Ups	Collection of dynocharts >> - Ash's Z 15:48:31 11/01/05 Thanx for sharing. I've been studying Z32 dyno slips for - WAGGZ 15:59:04 11/01/05 Ok...but how many of those cars still work? - SeedyROM 16:23:08 11/01/05 Re: Ok...but how many of those cars still work? - Ash's Z 16:35:42 11/01/05 Why is it that the Peacemaker had problems with - AzHeat 16:59:06 11/01/05 Russell's engine was built at the same time with the same - Ash's Z 17:25:00 11/01/05 Re: Russell's engine was built at the same time with the sam - Seb (Specialty-Z) 19:27:41 11/01/05 They were OEM seats. They weren't changed when the - Ash's Z 19:53:00 11/01/05 Re: They were OEM seats. They weren't changed when the - Seb (Specialty-Z) 20:26:40 11/01/05 Ferrea disagrees with that. Who has replaced the valve - Ash's Z 21:52:28 11/01/05 Re: Ferrea disagrees with that. Who has replaced the valve - Seb (Specialty-Z) 23:24:02 11/01/05 FWIW - aliaZ 23:27:38 11/01/05 Re: FWIW - Seb (Specialty-Z) 23:34:32 11/01/05 yep - aliaZ 23:52:04 11/01/05 Re: yep - Seb (Specialty-Z) 23:54:45 11/01/05 Re: Re: yep - aliaZ 23:57:16 11/01/05 also - aliaZ 23:55:49 11/01/05 Re: also - Seb (Specialty-Z) 00:00:15 11/02/05 Seb, I'm not bent out of shape by your statement at all - - Ash's Z 23:33:06 11/01/05 Re: Seb, I'm not bent out of shape by your statement at all - Seb (Specialty-Z) 23:42:15 11/01/05 Same thing was noted on The Peacemaker and RUss' - Ash's Z 01:19:33 11/02/05 Yes the changes we convinced Ferrea to make seem to have - Russell@Z1 08:48:35 11/02/05 Good deal Russ. Glad you chimed in. :) (n/m) - Ash's Z 11:44:56 11/02/05 The ecu cannot control, bad faulty parts, faulty install, - AzHeat 16:53:38 11/01/05 I know you're saying that sarcastically - Joe(NoVA) 17:24:05 11/01/05 yes, including mine with JWT. (n/m) - AzHeat 17:27:38 11/01/05 I don't think that was sarcastic, it was a valid point (n/m) - mousersix (San Antonio) 18:04:58 11/01/05 rage's Z ran like shit withthe Asspec and just fine with JWT - Halo Z 17:02:23 11/01/05 Maybe the ECU connector wasn't fully seated. - Ash's Z 17:28:25 11/01/05 maybe your tunes are hit and miss? at the best. (n/m) - Halo Z 17:35:17 11/01/05 Nah, they are very well refined for use in Z32's that dont - Ash's Z 17:43:23 11/01/05 Not true. Car blows up, its the ECU's fault. Always. - Joe(NoVA) 17:47:12 11/01/05 when it runs fine on the others, yeah. (n/m) - Halo Z 17:53:09 11/01/05 every one has there opinions. (n/m) - Halo Z 17:49:24 11/01/05 They sure do, so lets not make it personal. - Ash's Z 18:04:58 11/01/05 when some realized that when they say "no one's perfect" - Halo Z 18:15:52 11/01/05 Was that your only point? (n/m) - Ash's Z 18:34:45 11/01/05 it's the base of a lot of points, but the big picture - Halo Z 18:40:11 11/01/05 Ric, I realize that you and others think I am on a - Ash's Z 18:45:24 11/01/05 When in reality, your horse is a pony (named scribbles) - turtleboy 06:08:37 11/02/05 Not Spee, Spee doesn't have a soul, therefore can not - turtleboy 05:57:10 11/02/05 You misspelt Ash (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 19:13:09 11/01/05 Bah, that's just Ric trying to be funny. He's big into - Ash's Z 19:45:29 11/01/05 No, it's just his spelling, he has atleast 13 typos for - turtleboy 05:38:58 11/02/05 FWIW... cars will break - mousersix (San Antonio) 18:03:12 11/01/05 I'm not blind to that sir... - SeedyROM 19:59:47 11/01/05 You recognize that things will break on their own merit, - Ash's Z 20:09:59 11/01/05 Ash, let me make it a little more clear - SeedyROM 20:26:38 11/01/05 FWIW, I didn't even see DVDBurn's post until after I - Ash's Z 22:02:40 11/01/05 I like slurpee's. (n/m) - turtleboy 05:39:43 11/02/05 2nd. well said... looks like im a bit late to the scene. - tyler@boostpro.net 20:16:52 11/01/05 Actually mine still works fine, and I even had a boost leak - cossiemodo2000 23:20:51 11/01/05 tyler's car blew up because of his own doing. - chris@boostpro.net 23:28:35 11/01/05 This is the post that destroyed the entire thread. Well gues - turtleboy 06:01:53 11/02/05 My chart with your ecu - EricTTZ 16:31:29 11/01/05 Re: My chart with your ecu - Ash's Z 16:48:45 11/01/05 15 degrees base timing set that day - EricTTZ 17:05:00 11/01/05 Did you get an A/F reading from the other tailpipe? (n/m) - Ash's Z 17:35:25 11/01/05 No is it common for dynos to have dual widebands? - EricTTZ 18:09:53 11/01/05 It isn't, no. But you can swap the sniffer between exhaust - Ash's Z 18:40:12 11/01/05 Thanks, Well the engine blew up on run 2 but yea I know what - EricTTZ 18:48:19 11/01/05 Ouch bro. Sorry to hear that. What program do you have - Ash's Z 19:13:26 11/01/05 One from when you worked at z1. - EricTTZ 19:25:58 11/01/05 Well, good to hear that things are OK now. Let me know - Ash's Z 01:20:29 11/02/05 "blew 3 rings lands on one side on the next pull" - Kenny 17:23:40 11/01/05 Shall I pull out my list of engines that blew up with JWT - Ash's Z 17:32:47 11/01/05 Considering the JWT market share - SeedyROM 17:47:25 11/01/05 May I ask you a question about this? - Ash's Z 17:52:36 11/01/05 You didn't your first question. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 17:56:35 11/01/05 LOL, you both thought I actually keep a list??? - Ash's Z 18:01:45 11/01/05 I give you credit in >> - Spongerider :) 18:06:06 11/01/05 repost. (n/m) - Halo Z 18:10:11 11/01/05 What would be the value of keeping such a list, much less - Ash's Z 18:14:38 11/01/05 Repost (Side Step) - Spongerider :) 18:23:43 11/01/05 LOL, my original point is yet to be addressed. The only - Ash's Z 18:33:47 11/01/05 Smoking isn't the only cause of cancer... - Kenny 18:39:47 11/01/05 Kenny, please show me where all of my tunes have led - Ash's Z 18:47:00 11/01/05 No, that's not what I'm saying. - Kenny 19:01:49 11/01/05 Do you realize that I have tuned over 100Z32s and have - Ash's Z 19:17:23 11/01/05 I didn't make that claim; it speaks volumes that you say it. - Kenny 19:22:17 11/01/05 The burden of proof would lie on your argument though - Ash's Z 19:25:32 11/01/05 I'm not trying to prove anything, just stating the facts. - Kenny 19:28:25 11/01/05 No, you are trying to prove that my tuning is incompetent. - Ash's Z 19:41:19 11/01/05 And why we want to see the failure rate of engines that blew - Spongerider :) 19:52:03 11/01/05 You are saying the same thing as I am now. - Ash's Z 20:01:23 11/01/05 As of 11-02-05 Wilkendew's engine blew with a JWT - DAYTONAZ 17:38:47 11/02/05 No, I'm stating the facts of the matter. - Kenny 19:54:50 11/01/05 No, you weren't. Here are your exact words: - Ash's Z 20:04:46 11/01/05 So what's your question? - Kenny 20:18:57 11/01/05 Because the ignition timing maps will tell you everything - Ash's Z 20:52:57 11/01/05 So the fuel maps don't matter? - Kenny 21:02:34 11/01/05 Fuel maps matter, yes, but they are not the same for - Ash's Z 21:13:39 11/01/05 Re: Fuel maps matter, yes, but they are not the same for - Kenny 23:12:45 11/01/05 Hahahaha. Man, what are you saying? (n/m) - Ash's Z 23:14:53 11/01/05 I had to scroll right to read this post. - turtleboy 05:35:15 11/02/05 Haven't you ever seen that "arguing on the internet" img? - turtleboy 05:41:52 11/02/05 Your posts are so insightful! - turtleboy 05:48:35 11/02/05 I have the list ha ha ha ha (evil laugh) - turtleboy 05:59:12 11/02/05 The answer is no. It's the only common factor here though. (n/m) - Kenny 18:34:08 11/01/05 You can't deductively conclude that. Each car presents - Ash's Z 18:53:55 11/01/05 That's not what I was suggesting, please re-read my posts. - Kenny 19:04:21 11/01/05 Your logic is flawed though, since there are many other - Ash's Z 19:14:10 11/01/05 Not so much, as there are many others that have blown. - Kenny 19:18:29 11/01/05 The common factor is that they are all high-horsepower - Ash's Z 19:22:04 11/01/05 Again with the sidestepping. - Kenny 19:25:57 11/01/05 Is that all you guys can come up with is blaming me - Ash's Z 19:38:47 11/01/05 "You guys" ? I have no affiliation with other posters. - Kenny 20:01:50 11/01/05 You obviously do not appreciate the entire scope of - Ash's Z 20:12:45 11/01/05 Some random timing maps of yours have nothing to do... - Kenny 20:51:24 11/01/05 Your arguing has long outrun your grasp of the situation - Joe(NoVA) 22:09:34 11/01/05 Re: Your arguing has long outrun your grasp of the situation - Kenny 22:56:33 11/01/05 LOL, your legs must be tired from all that backpeddling - Ash's Z 23:05:58 11/01/05 Yes, you are the common factor. - Kenny 23:42:46 11/01/05 But that isn't actually true. - Ash's Z 00:21:22 11/02/05 You sir are out of order! - turtleboy 06:04:10 11/02/05 lol @ all your random posts throughout this thread. (n/m) - myzislow 11:08:06 11/02/05 2nd that!! It puts it all in perspective :-) (n/m) - DAYTONAZ 17:44:56 11/02/05 Somebody give this man a medal. Arguing with kenny is like - ENVYMYZ 22:59:07 11/01/05 Exactly. - Kenny 23:41:35 11/01/05 Jerry, Jerry, JERRY!! (n/m) - Spee 00:05:41 11/02/05 Try again. - ENVYMYZ 08:56:52 11/02/05 Kenny IS the special olympics. - turtleboy 05:44:15 11/02/05 *yawn* (n/m) - Spee 23:14:20 11/01/05 They are NOT random timing maps. They are the timing - Ash's Z 22:14:16 11/01/05 Beatcha ;-) - Joe(NoVA) 22:19:03 11/01/05 BIG 2nd on that. (n/m) - Ash's Z 22:25:40 11/01/05 The only claim I made was substantiated by Ash himself. - Kenny 23:05:00 11/01/05 Your memory is now failing. I never said that most of - Ash's Z 23:09:03 11/01/05 Spare me the semantics, most of them had to be rebuilt. (n/m) - Kenny 23:14:53 11/01/05 It is an unfortunate thing, a catastrophic failure... - Ash's Z 23:20:58 11/01/05 How is "most =! one" semantics. - turtleboy 06:05:38 11/02/05 Thank you Big 2nd (n/m) - AzHeat 23:07:41 11/01/05 Re: They are NOT random timing maps. They are the timing - Kenny 23:02:44 11/01/05 NO only one blew and that was due to the pump failing. - Ash's Z 23:14:03 11/01/05 Re: NO only one blew and that was due to the pump failing. - Kenny 23:20:22 11/01/05 So basically what you are saying, and correct me if I am - Ash's Z 23:28:10 11/01/05 Okay. - Kenny 23:36:42 11/01/05 That's an acceptable set of statements to make, but dont - Ash's Z 00:19:38 11/02/05 I think I've posted atleast 20 times in this thread - turtleboy 05:56:22 11/02/05 LOL yep - mousersix (San Antonio) 14:23:16 11/02/05 Dude! - turtleboy 06:24:41 11/02/05 H:B is critical - mousersix (San Antonio) 07:30:12 11/02/05 lol (n/m) - PennStateZ 11:18:56 11/02/05 Why don't you ever follow through with things? - SeedyROM 18:57:14 11/01/05 Where am I not following through? Where would it be - Ash's Z 19:11:29 11/01/05 Yes, please try some more to make me the devil =) - SeedyROM 20:04:37 11/01/05 My points have been clear. You have not addressed - Ash's Z 20:16:44 11/01/05 I count now 5 posts of yours with the same lame intent - SeedyROM 20:29:24 11/01/05 So I take it you aren't going to address the timing maps? - Ash's Z 20:38:50 11/01/05 *can't (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 22:22:00 11/01/05 Er, yeah. Thanks for the correction. - Ash's Z 22:32:19 11/01/05 You two are cute! (n/m) - SeedyROM 02:42:07 11/02/05 See other post (n/m) - SeedyROM 02:41:44 11/02/05 I already saw the post of the JWT ECU blowing a guy's motor - Ash's Z 02:51:18 11/02/05 I can't even tell what messages are being responded to in - turtleboy 05:37:54 11/02/05 werd (n/m) - myzislow 11:10:13 11/02/05 Please do. (n/m) - Kenny 18:33:23 11/01/05 You just got served! (n/m) - turtleboy 05:49:21 11/02/05 How about - Jackie 19:18:07 11/01/05 Whew. Thankyou Jackie. I'm not patting your back - Ash's Z 19:44:00 11/01/05 It's funny that everyone is asking you for proof... - Jackie 20:47:03 11/01/05 Are we going to have to shame you off this board again? - Kenny 19:47:01 11/01/05 You have clearly and incorrectly concluded that I am - Ash's Z 19:50:58 11/01/05 is that any different than you not understanding that you - Halo Z 19:56:16 11/01/05 Back up your opinion with fact. Prove what you are - Ash's Z 20:05:56 11/01/05 it's proven with the JWT list. cut and dry. (n/m) - Halo Z 20:07:13 11/01/05 Re: it's proven with the JWT list. cut and dry. - peach 20:41:10 11/01/05 Hey Scott! Didn't expect you to chime in, but thanks - Ash's Z 21:04:32 11/01/05 see it wouldn't matter. and here's why.... - Halo Z 21:43:09 11/01/05 Have you been telling people about the secret tt.net elite - Ash's Z 23:18:39 11/01/05 this come from my trips in texas, cali, ga and upper - Halo Z 05:16:13 11/02/05 I neither made nor posted any conclusions regarding your - Kenny 20:19:59 11/01/05 Yes, you did. And it is why I have been following your - Ash's Z 20:38:04 11/01/05 That's not a conclusion regarding your tuning competency. - Kenny 21:15:43 11/01/05 My tuning is a common factor, but not all factors involved - Ash's Z 21:36:47 11/01/05 You're missing the point. - Jackie 20:25:35 11/01/05 Jackie, I'm sorry for sucking up like this, - Ash's Z 20:43:02 11/01/05 lol (n/m) - Spee 20:51:10 11/01/05 You know, I've seen it happen to you time and time again - Jackie 21:24:33 11/01/05 A man of reason? Do you not remember when he sold his - Only1Z 22:45:35 11/01/05 No, I dont know about that, nor do I think it has any - Ash's Z 23:24:33 11/01/05 You're really not worth the argument. (n/m) - Jackie 00:04:44 11/02/05 I won't argue with any of that. - Kenny 21:13:12 11/01/05 LOL @ Webster's - Jackie 21:20:03 11/01/05 That's how Kenny can use big words like... - ZigZag 16:54:36 11/02/05 You have clearly stated, without doubt, that my tuning - Ash's Z 22:05:54 11/01/05 Kenny do you ever get feedback squelch from arguing - AzHeat 00:28:58 11/02/05 2nd (n/m) - FantasyZ 23:37:22 11/01/05 I only lost 1 ring. But it only cost me a new engine! (n/m) - 300ZXquire 09:39:29 11/02/05 Not knocking you Ash but A/F ratio is just one - AzHeat 16:42:29 11/01/05 Well, I have just the thing for you then as I knew this - Ash's Z 17:16:43 11/01/05 Woops, here's tyler's race fuel timing map: - Ash's Z 17:19:23 11/01/05 Don't you mean 2 degrees retarded? (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 17:23:59 11/01/05 Yes, thanks for the correction. (n/m) - Ash's Z 17:25:35 11/01/05 You're two degrees retarded! (n/m) - turtleboy 05:45:13 11/02/05 I'm still waiting for a response here, folks......>>>>> - Ash's Z 17:48:51 11/01/05 To make power you can't be conservative. I do know - AzHeat 17:59:20 11/01/05 Well, power is relative, but in the case of The peacemaker, - Ash's Z 18:06:56 11/01/05 My friends Supra timing is 17 degrees at 850rwhp so - AzHeat 18:10:42 11/01/05 Exactly. And comrpession also affects it too. - Ash's Z 18:17:13 11/01/05 Well those timing values are not way off for pump gas - Carlos Ramirez 07:52:14 11/02/05 Well, acutally they aren't. JWT uses 18 degrees of timing - Ash's Z 14:21:13 11/02/05 Which load column do these cars usually run at WOT? (n/m) - kuah@splparts.com 19:33:22 11/01/05 Furthest right column at full boost. (n/m) - Ash's Z 20:07:12 11/01/05 fyi; no one tunes at idle. i've never seen an A/F ratio - ni[X]it 17:10:22 11/01/05 That's because you dont have to. The ECU's closed-loop - Ash's Z 17:22:43 11/01/05 in theory, you are correct. in practice, you are not. - ni[X]it 17:27:32 11/01/05 My practice has shown me that as long as there isn't - Ash's Z 17:31:49 11/01/05 yup the ECU does adjust for the changes in the AFC @ closed - Seb (Specialty-Z) 19:15:50 11/01/05 In close loop the ecu is going to self correct. At - AzHeat 17:34:00 11/01/05 thank you for your time with the post, - ni[X]it 17:39:16 11/01/05 Nick, you can actually affect the A/F in low-load - Ash's Z 17:44:58 11/01/05 The ecu is in close loop mode under part throttle - AzHeat 17:25:58 11/01/05 here is mine after I tuned it with an AFC - 2960cc of fury (Houston) 17:18:37 11/01/05 That wasn't the ECU program doing it though..... - Ash's Z 17:21:06 11/01/05 I don't understand, the car left SGP in that state - 2960cc of fury (Houston) 18:30:59 11/01/05 ugh, here we go again. (n/m) - Spee 17:24:53 11/01/05 It will never be over until one side finally just gives up - Ash's Z 17:27:05 11/01/05 if anyone is backing out, it's from the sheer redundancy of - Spee 17:34:01 11/01/05 No Shennannegans here Spee. I am simply defending - Ash's Z 17:38:51 11/01/05 You don't need to defend yourself. Too many people here - AzHeat 18:07:56 11/01/05 Eh, I just got a bug about how tt.net has lost a lot of its - Ash's Z 18:24:05 11/01/05 Ignore the forum Three Stooges- Spee, Seedy, Sponge - AzHeat 18:28:38 11/01/05 What have you contributed besides mis-information and hate? (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:34:40 11/01/05 gay love with ned? (n/m) - Halo Z 18:38:01 11/01/05 A lot more than your ass for the Z32. Should I - AzHeat 22:52:26 11/01/05 lol - Spee 23:18:21 11/01/05 Re: lol - AzHeat 23:30:06 11/01/05 do you know of anyone successfully running the AEM yet? - aliaZ 00:11:42 11/02/05 Check out the AEM forum. What does Motec have to do - AzHeat 00:21:38 11/02/05 Re: Check out the AEM forum. What does Motec have to do - aliaZ 00:41:05 11/02/05 bah...AEM forum is down (n/m) - aliaZ 07:38:29 11/02/05 I wouldn't throw Seedy in that bunch. (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 23:04:08 11/01/05 Seedy has bug up his ass with anything Z1 related and - AzHeat 00:00:10 11/02/05 It's not a bug, it's an elephant. (n/m) - turtleboy 05:50:46 11/02/05 I'm dieing laughing herem this is too much. (n/m) - myzislow 11:16:01 11/02/05 Hi Mike! - Spee 18:32:35 11/01/05 Hahahha.. Rock on Spee. - Ash's Z 18:35:53 11/01/05 Dude ur sooo cool, how can I be like you? (n/m) - suprakillinz(boulder soon) 21:12:14 11/01/05 you can't (n/m) - Spee 22:40:40 11/01/05 Damn you owned him.. hard!! (n/m) - turtleboy 06:18:46 11/02/05 I have a jwt ecu and I blow shit up all the time - suprakillinz(boulder soon) 21:10:29 11/01/05 please do not try and use logic. - Spee 22:49:15 11/01/05 ok, now that was funny (n/m) - mpbond(STL) 23:07:18 11/01/05 You lack any intelliegence or common sense. (n/m) - AzHeat 23:09:24 11/01/05 "You are stupidier than dirt." - AzHeat 21:23:10 08/05/04 (n/m) - Spee 01:30:58 11/02/05 Dam Spee you rock, you are the greatest (n/m) - AzHeat 12:55:46 11/02/05 You spelled intelligence wrong and the syntax of your - turtleboy 06:23:14 11/02/05 Wow...just wow...I cannot stop laughing... - Only1Z 22:50:56 11/01/05 Pump/Race with Sp500s - Scotts94z32 17:25:18 11/01/05 Thankyou Scott. Through all the garbo-babble above, - Ash's Z 17:34:23 11/01/05 No problem, I like to stick to the subject.. ;-) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 18:40:21 11/01/05 Dayum! Nice! my set-up is very close to yours and - Swatsav 18:07:58 11/01/05 Post 'em when you make 'em... we'll see.. ;-) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 18:46:56 11/01/05 Will do. (n/m) - Swatsav 20:04:36 11/01/05 my best one so far --->>>>>>>>>> - madtdogs 18:30:20 11/01/05 Nice A/F. Question on that dyno though. It looks like - Ash's Z 18:37:21 11/01/05 ash, that is terre from the first dyno session up here... - tyler@boostpro.net 19:21:34 11/01/05 wow... wow wow wow.. i have seen better from children (n/m) - tyreeztt 20:55:15 11/01/05 there was a few issues with the setup at the time... - madtdogs 21:10:40 11/01/05 In all of this entire thread, there have been just a few - Ash's Z 20:36:06 11/01/05 Ash, get on AIM (n/m) - mpbond(STL) 20:40:06 11/01/05 Ash why coolant over oil temp? (n/m) - lazersos 20:52:43 11/01/05 A majority of the oil is actually cooled via thermal - Ash's Z 20:58:23 11/01/05 Ash, did you get my payment? (n/m) - mpbond(STL) 21:10:14 11/01/05 No, where/when did you send it? - Ash's Z 21:16:09 11/01/05 Got it! :) Thanks for the business! (n/m) - Ash's Z 00:31:19 11/02/05 Wow, a longer thread LOL (n/m) - Piranha(Omaha) 21:50:07 11/01/05 In all fairness, Ash tuned my car last spring...I don't have - RAGTPZ 22:04:51 11/01/05 This is one of the reasons I don't publically comment on - KaZ (VaBch) 22:19:53 11/01/05 There are a few dyno's in there from Greg Dupree. - Ash's Z 22:27:08 11/01/05 No, I'm not saying anything about anyone's tuning... - KaZ (VaBch) 22:47:28 11/01/05 That's because most of them are racefuel programs. - Ash's Z 22:56:42 11/01/05 100% dead-on. - SeedyROM 23:38:31 11/01/05 Every Z that comes through my hands for tuning has some - Ash's Z 00:28:06 11/02/05 BTW, here's a JWT-equipped TT that just blew today >> - Ash's Z 00:29:48 11/02/05 nice list.... (n/m) - Halo Z 05:31:27 11/02/05 Well... From reading the post... - KaZ (VaBch) 07:59:49 11/02/05 A+ (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:13:23 11/02/05 You got it man .. bravo (n/m) - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 02:54:07 11/03/05 It's my opinion. (n/m) - SeedyROM 01:23:24 11/02/05 Thankyou for clarifying that. I was beginning to think you - Ash's Z 01:28:31 11/02/05 Correction, 3rd time he has blown it with the JWT ECU - Ash's Z 01:59:39 11/02/05 . (n/m) - SeedyROM 02:25:18 11/02/05 No, the facts I do know are what formed my opinion - SeedyROM 02:40:50 11/02/05 Well, I hope you just added three points to your "tab" - Ash's Z 02:46:11 11/02/05 OH thank God! - turtleboy 06:13:06 11/02/05 completely off topic, but a good read (n/m) - mousersix (San Antonio) 09:23:45 11/02/05 bravo (n/m) - myzislow 11:23:08 11/02/05 A+ (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:11:26 11/02/05 ash, i for one think that you were a major contribution >> - stockplayerz (NYC) 22:24:39 11/01/05 Funny thing is, this post has only made my day, not ruined - Ash's Z 22:31:10 11/01/05 after dealing with ash personally... he's a genius - chris@boostpro.net 23:26:21 11/01/05 there's a ringing endorsement. (n/m) - Spee 23:30:55 11/01/05 thanks mr. clean! Your a walking endorsement (n/m) - chris@boostpro.net 00:31:48 11/02/05 my what? (n/m) - Spee 01:28:49 11/02/05 you're (n/m) - chris@boostpro.net 08:58:22 11/02/05 Holy crap you're a genius! (n/m) - turtleboy 05:52:16 11/02/05 Mine >>> - manstretch (NC) 00:40:42 11/02/05 Car looks like it is low on power? What boost setting - Ash's Z 00:49:00 11/02/05 stock boost, no BC/jets installed (n/m) - manstretch (NC) 06:36:17 11/02/05 My dyno is bigger than your dyno. (n/m) - Zluster(Sir Sam) 00:47:32 11/02/05 Ugh, give the guy a damn break.... - 91Z32TT 01:29:06 11/02/05 I think those who are supporting me are being troubled - Ash's Z 01:40:04 11/02/05 You're a salesman's dream. (n/m) - SeedyROM 02:27:17 11/02/05 And you sell your opinions pretty well too. - Ash's Z 02:48:42 11/02/05 Not a one. Which is what makes it great! - SeedyROM 18:07:02 11/02/05 Sounds more like a self-serving vigilante's philosophy - Ash's Z 10:43:55 11/03/05 Give me a break - turtleboy 06:14:06 11/02/05 Heres one on my old set-up - luke21 01:33:34 11/02/05 Do you recall if that was using a tailpipe sniffer box - Ash's Z 02:04:16 11/02/05 Here is Vorpal's TT with a JWT ECU, for reference: - Ash's Z 02:20:34 11/02/05 Conclusion: Kenny whines more than a 4 year old. - turtleboy 05:36:46 11/02/05 tyler, spend less time on OT - genic 09:05:14 11/02/05 My name's not tyler - turtleboy 16:18:58 11/02/05 jwt ecu, specialtyz team= the best fine tuned car - Eishozzzz 06:57:44 11/02/05 AFC tuning =/= tuning (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 08:50:38 11/02/05 you just lost your right to call anyone an idiot - genic 09:03:08 11/02/05 AFC tuning is at best a hack job of tuning - Joe(NoVA) 09:16:04 11/02/05 That all pretty much goes without saying. - Kenny 09:28:45 11/02/05 I actually agree with you on this one - Joe(NoVA) 09:37:13 11/02/05 What disturbs me about the AFC tuning issue... - Kenny 11:37:21 11/02/05 The ZEM is only $650 - it is the least expensive of any othe - Ash's Z 11:46:27 11/02/05 I though the ZControl was the least expensive. - Kenny 11:57:06 11/02/05 Well, you can tune with that too, but it has limited ability - Ash's Z 14:15:45 11/02/05 Totally agree (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 13:03:43 11/02/05 Perhaps there is an interaction, and A/F isn't the - RSR 07:48:54 11/02/05 Good Lord, longest thread I have seen in 6 years. (n/m) - Rob.M (Down Shift Magazine) 08:53:25 11/02/05 hopefully there are no posts longer than this... - Max865(ATL) 09:00:08 11/02/05 It is a post of colossal proportions. Some of the finest - Ash's Z 11:47:57 11/02/05 this is the drama i miss. thanks guys (n/m) - dogpile 09:30:13 11/02/05 LOL, no ISH!! this thing is huge! (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 10:03:52 11/02/05 I've posted 27 times in this thread - turtleboy 16:23:51 11/02/05 What did i miss? - VG30DE racer 10:09:46 11/02/05 Hey, where's mine? j/k - jkperformance 10:13:29 11/02/05
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